Don't buy the upcoming Star Wars DVD Releases!
The Star Wars DVD re-release is almost upon us! You know, the one with the bonus disc that contains the ORIGINAL (as can be) theatrical release for each film! Now, there is a growing divide amongst SW fans out there over many issues surrounding this release. I raised this topic at a DVD trading website where our gracious The Curmudgeon has resided for quite a few years now (which is how we came to know each other for those out there that haven’t followed). I’m actually combining two post as the first one was short while the other one is quite lengthy. Read on, Faithful Dwellers!
Check out the link below for the reasons why NOT to buy the upcoming Star Wars DVD releases!!!!
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/rumormill.html#082406
Again, it's just a ploy for Lucas to milk the SW fans dry as the UE versions will probably contain the Original Trilogy theatrical versions with anamorphic, which is what that link is leaning towards.
Why?
Well, all you're doing IS buying the new crappy versions. The original movies are "bonus discs." Lucas says the originals are just bonus features to bate those out there who want them. Hence why he wants to use 1993 technology.
But Star Wars was never anamorphic, you (or your critics) cry in retort.
Yes. Star Wars WAS anamorphic to begin with. Proof? How about that ANAMORPHIC opening crawl (without the [B]Episode IV: A New Hope[/B] attatched to it) on the EMIRE OF DREAMS documentary included in the 4th disc in the S.E. boxset? Not impressed, huh? That's still not enough proof?
Taken from THE DIGITAL BITS:
5/19/06
We want to take a few moments this morning to post some follow-up thoughts on our Star Wars DVD editorial from yesterday. Since we first posted the DVD transfer information, and especially after our comments of yesterday morning, we've received many hundreds of e-mails from Star Wars fans, home theater enthusiasts and industry insiders (our sincere thanks to all of you for your thoughts), nearly all of whom agree with our sentiments, specifically that if Lucasfilm is going to release the original theatrical versions of the Star Wars films on DVD, they should at least present them in anamorphic widescreen to ensure some semblance of acceptable video quality for fans who may wish to purchase them. Still, a few people felt we were making mountains out of molehills.
Whatever your personal opinions, however, there remains a reality that is hard to deny, which is this: Anamorphic enhancement is the widely accepted industry standard for the presentation of widescreen films on DVD. This is not pie in the sky 'unobtanium' technology that costs untold millions to implement... it's a basic technique that is standard practice on DVD and has been for many years now, since the fairly early days of the DVD format back in 1997. Keep in mind, we're not asking for 4K high-definition presentation at this point. We're simply asking that Lucas - who has in the past been so focused on the quality presentation of his films that he created THX (and the THX certification process) to ensure it - expend a little more effort and money to ensure that the Star Wars DVDs planned for release on 9/12, which are already set to offer the original theatrical versions of these films, offer them in reasonably acceptable video quality that is commensurate to the minimum level that's considered standard for the DVD format today.
Now... we've heard all manner of excuses and contradictory official statements as to why this can't happen:
1) the original film negatives are gone
2) the other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly
3) there are just no quality film elements remaining anywhere that could be used
4) the 1993 laserdisc masters are the best source material that can be found for use on DVD after exhaustive searches of the Lucasfilm Archives, etc.
Some of these excuses run from the unlikely to the absurd, and all of them strike us as publicity machine spin.
We've debunked all of these excuses previously but, for the record, let's do so again:
1) The original negatives are gone, destroyed as part of the process of creating the 1997 special edition versions.
We're inclined to believe this is true. Still, the original negatives are not the only viable elements that can be used to transfer the films for home video release. There are numerous interpositive prints. There are the separation masters. Worst case, there are a number of high quality release prints available. In short, other elements exist that can be used for this purpose.
2) The other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly to be used.
We'll come back to this one in a minute.
3) There are just no quality film elements remaining anywhere that could be used.
See our answer to #1. Even if it's true that Lucas and his staff destroyed all of the original negatives, it's unlikely in the extreme that they also destroyed all of the interpositives, all of the separation masters, and all of the release prints. In fact, we know that they didn't. Where, for example, would the [COLOR="Red"]anamorphic[/COLOR] footage of the original 1977 opening text crawl from A New Hope - the footage that appeared in the Empire of Dreams DVD documentary - have come from if not from quality surviving film elements? Still, even if Lucas did destroy every single scrap of original film available in the Lucasfilm Archives... we know for a fact that high quality die transfer release prints exist in the hands of a number of archives and private collectors. While not ideal, any of these could be given a high-definition transfer, a bit of digital clean-up and color-timing, and could be presented on DVD in anamorphic widescreen in quality that would be superior to a 1993 non-anamorphic laserdisc transfer.
4) The 1993 laserdisc masters are the best source material that can be found for use on DVD after exhaustive searches of the Lucasfilm Archives.
See our answer to #3. This is flatly absurd. If this were true, Lucasfilm's archivists should be ashamed of themselves. We know of few professionals tasked with the preservation of film materials that would allow such critically important film elements as the original Star Wars films to be lost, to deteriorate or be wholesale destroyed. And again, even if Lucasfilm's vaults were so woefully incomplete, we know for a fact that quality elements exist elsewhere. Given 48 hours notice, we could track them down ourselves. Surely, with its significant resources and influence, Lucasfilm could do the same. If the 1993 laserdisc masters are really the best that Lucasfilm can do, it's disturbing. If not, a statement like "We returned to the Lucasfilm Archives to search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD..." seems terribly disingenuous - the corporate PR equivalent of "I'm so sorry, but the dog ate my homework."
But let's get back to #2...
2) The other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly to be used.
It just so happens that one of our regular contributors here at The Bits, the author of our ever illuminating Yellow Layer Failure, Vinegar Syndrome and Miscellaneous Musings column, is something of an expert on the subject of film preservation and restoration. Robert A. Harris, in point of fact, is one of the world's best known motion picture archivists, and has does significant work in this field through his company, Film Preserve. Robert's experiments in color technology and more recent advances in the digital domain have set standards in the industry. His reconstruction and restoration efforts, primarily in the large format field, have brought back to the screen some of the most important films ever produced, including Lawrence of Arabia, Spartacus, My Fair Lady, Vertigo and Rear Window.
We asked Robert what might be done with the original surviving elements of the Star Wars films in order to rejuvenate them and present them in high quality on DVD. Here's what he had to say on the subject:
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"Bill Hunt has asked for an opinion regarding the element problems which we have been told exist in the various Star Wars films, and if they might be fixed.
We're aware of the extent of the problems, going back to fading of the original CRI sections - a problem shared with Close Encounters of the Third Kind - as well as the various cuts, re-cuts, etc. which have changed the conformation of the film elements.
Over the past few years we have been experimenting with various means of handling and interrelating differing film elements, and what we have accomplished would enable us to bring Star Wars back to virtually its original state.
In all deference to Lucasfilm, there is no reason that they would be aware of our latest experiments, or how they might apply to Star Wars.
Essentially, the project would be a reconstruction concurrent with restoration.
We can state with absolute certainly that we would be able to deliver fully restored quality elements as might be requested by Lucasfilm, inclusive of a pristine quality high definition video master as well as a full resolution 35mm preservation negative, if so directed.
It would be both a pleasure and a challenge to bring these films back to virtually their original state, and given a proper budget, commensurate with the work entailed, we would be willing to take on the assignment from Lucasfilm, and deliver elements which would make the release of the original trilogy to DVD as startlingly beautiful an event as it should be.
These films are extremely important both cinematically and as cultural icons, and deserve to be seen in the finest quality possible.
RAH"
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So there you have it. It seems to those of us here at The Bits, that the only reasonable obstacles to Lucasfilm in releasing the original versions of the Star Wars film on DVD in high-quality are the will do to so and the willingness to spend a reasonable sum of money, such as might be required to get the job done properly. Certainly, any number of existing quality elements could be utilized for the purpose (and digitally cleaned up as needed) without breaking the bank. But considering the cinematic and cultural significance of these films, does it not seem reasonable and prudent to do so?
In any case, we sincerely hope that those in charge at Lucasfilm will reconsider their decision to use lackluster 1993 laserdisc masters to present the original Star Wars films on DVD in 2006. The films deserve better, and we believe it's the right thing to do for the fans. It might require a little more effort, a little more money spent up front. But we have to believe that it would be a significantly profitable enterprise... that countless life-long fans of the original films would thrill at the possibility of finally owning them on DVD in good, reasonable and acceptable quality.
It should be done. It CAN be done.
And consider this one also from THE DIGITAL BITS:
5/23/06
First up today, [URL="http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6337246.html"]Video Business[/URL] has just posted a story on the Star Wars DVD issue. There are some quotes and comments in there that are probably going to piss a lot of you off. According to the piece: "[Lucasfilm] felt there was little need to invest resources into sprucing up films that have already been restored to pristine form." Says Lucasfilm spokesperson John Singh: "The late '90s theatrical versions represent George's vision for Star Wars. We hoped that by releasing the original movies as a bonus disc, it would be a way to give the fans something that is fun. We certainly didn't want to be become a source of frustration for fans." Hoooo-boy. Well... so much for that idea. You know what they say: If wishes were horses, we'd all be covered in hoofprints and dung.
The story further indicates that Lucasfilm will be contacting its fans directly (probably via their Star Wars.com website and newsletter) to explain the situation. In other words, their corporate spin machine is about to start telling you why they're doing you such a big favor, and why you shouldn't care that the original versions of these films are being handled so shoddily. ('Cause... you know... it's not like they REALLY exist anymore anyway, right?) And oh, by the way, would you all please quit yer bitching and just fork over another $90 already? Because, you see, George urgently needs to build the Skywalker Ranch - East out in The Hamptons or the Lucasfilm Empire will collapse. And just for you Jedi loyalists, every paying Hyperspace member that owns at least 10 different copies of these films on VHS, Betamax, SelectaVision, Laserdisc, VideoCD, DVD (and eventually HD-DVD, Blu-ray Disc and LucasDigital 3D-matic Download)... gets the EXCLUSIVE opportunity to purchase them all again, this time dipped in 12-karat gold (along with a special bonus disc featuring video of George Lucas telling you why making these movies was all just a big waste of his time and nobody should ever have liked them in the first place)!
We overstate, of course... but only a little. You know... as much money as Lucasfilm rakes in from Star Wars, you think they could treat their fans (and their films) with just a little more respect.
Hhmmmm. This all reminds us of a line from a little art flick we liked back in the day. Lesseeee... we think it went something like...
"Buy more. Buy more now. Buy more and be happy." - THX-1138
Here's more discussions over the facts:
[url]http://www.homemediaretailing.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=9173[/url]
[url]http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=234933[/url]
[url]http://www.fromscripttodvd.com/star_wars_a_day_long_remembered.htm[/url] **note on this last link the section entitled [B]Dolby Jumps To Hyperspace[/B] as you can see the 35mm print picture containing the ANAMORPHIC SQUEEZE while the 70mm doesn't as it is wider and doesn't need the squeeze**
Oh, and here's Lucasfilms response to the situation:
[url]http://www.originaltrilogy.com/Lucasfilm_PR_response.cfm[/url]
which leads me to show here some pictures to satisfy any curiosities:
Non-anamorphic "The 1993 laserdisc masters are the best source material that can be found for use on DVD after exhaustive searches of the Lucasfilm Archives" picture
[IMG]http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1417/pdvd000az5.png[/IMG]
Anamorphic 2004 S.E. picture with cleanup
[IMG]http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5660/pdvd001sn7.png[/IMG]
Bottom line:
If you want these new ones, wait and trade for them. Otherwise, wait for the UE's.
Best Regards,
InvisibleWolfMan
7 comments:
I'll comment on this one soon enough, I just want to point out that if any of the numerous links don't work, don't blame Wolfman - blame me.
Because this site (not the content, obviously) sucks, if any Dweller wants to contribute to The Fortress they have to e-mail it to me first and I post it on the site (un-edited, of course). All well and good, but links and commands that work on other sites don't seem to work on this one, so you may see a lot of (/B) stuff that shouldn't be there. I'm taking it out as you read this, but it takes a bit of time and head scratching, especially to a computer-illiterate like myself.
Thanks for the contribution, Wolfman. Fellow Dwellers - feel free to comment on what is surely one of the most important DVD releases of all time.
You know what, I've been thinking.. I AM going to get the Star Wars trilogy when it comes out (again).
Thing is, it's probably my favourite film of all time, and not having it in my collection just sucks. So a 2 disc version of my favourite film will do just very nicely indeed.
When these Ultimate Editions come out and they are leaps and bounds superior to the earlier release well, hey - that's what I joined a DVD Trading site for, isn't it?
Damn, somebody did their homework. I'm as big of a Star Wars geek as the next guy. I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I bought the special edtion boxed set because I simply had to have those films on DVD. I hadn't seen the special editions in their entirety yet as I'd never really had money to buy this stuff when it was out on VHS and I still love these films, though I refuse on basic principle to buy them again after Lucas swore he'd never release them properly. I just wish I could forever banish Jabba from my copy of "Episode IV" among the other more minor but still mind-bogglingly stupid annoyances Lucas peppered the series with. The extra CG creatures and effects didn't bother me at all... it's the crap like Greedo shooting 1st and that aforementioned travesty with Jabba and changing classic lines like "You're lucky you don't taste very good". Stuff like that is so irritating and pointless I'm starting to think South Park went a little too easy on the guy after all. Jackass. Also, did anybody else see that episode of Robot Chicken where they had the "Jaws: Special Edition" bit? Goddamn hilarious!
Hey Trashy
Why not sell your Star Wars DVD's? Or swap them
www.dvd-swaps.co.uk
Then when you simply HAVE to have those DVD's again - get the REAL versions. Simple!
Thanks for the technical advice, Hacker. I WILL clean this post up, but I'm busy fighting with all and sundry on bebo.com (I'll tell you all about that later).
To be honest, a Laserdisc picture is something I'm not 100% bothered about. I mean, the films ARE old and it might add to the nostalgia factor.
You know what? Call me a philistine, but I bet I don't even notice.
Hmm, this is a conundrum and a half and no mistake. I'll have to wait and see if I can walk away from them once I see them in the shops.
And yes - Wolfman did deliver the goods on this, surely the longest ever thread in the history of The Fortress? Can it ever be beaten?
Concise and to the point.
I always forget those two.
You know, as shamed as I am to admit it - I've never actually SEEN Blade Runner.
I know, I know - it is something The Curmudgeon should have seen. Sue me, shoot me. But THIS time around (I ignored the pointless vanilla release) I won't be caught napping.
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